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Post by creator on Oct 16, 2011 3:55:52 GMT -5
Another for discussion which should be a given - Hyperstorm.
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Post by creator on Oct 16, 2011 5:22:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. But has he demonstrated power and control with his abilities that far outstrip those who DO share similar abilities? Here is a rundown on the relevant encounters with Alpha in Defenders 15 & 16. Defenders 15 and 16 With the X-me tied up on another mission, Prof X drafts in the Defenders (Dr Strange, Hulk, Valkyrie, Nighthawk and the Prof himself) to take on Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. The heroes track them to an underground base that Magneto is using. There a battle ensues with the heroes gaining an upperhand. They may have won but Alpha entered the battle. As he is still young, he is brutish looking, lacking the clear intellect he will develop over the next few hours. He does however have access to all of his powers. He weathers attacks from the Defenders with no damage and then he teleported the brotherhood mutants away. As Magneto had already sealed off the caves exits, it falls to the Hulk to dig them out (yes Dr Strange could teleport them but he must have forgot th spell). The heroes find Magneto and team attacking the United Nations building. Alpha, still following Magnetos orders, levitates the U.N. building while Magneto rants about mutant superiority. When the heroes appear Alpha employs his power to overcome his opponents by either tk or telepathically holding the hulk still, whirling Nighthawk till he passes out, and turning Valkyrie's legs to rubber. As Dr. Strange prepares to fight, Professor X appeals to Alpha. Realising he needs to play smart, Xaviar requests Alpha to use his developing intellect to examine Magneto's actions. After a brief pause for thought, Alpha puts the U.N. building back and says he is going to leave Earth while his powers and knowledge to continue to grow and mature. His last action is to regress all the evil mutants to infants. The UN building alone weighs in at around 100,000 tonnes. Considering that Alpha lifted that and a fair chunk of the surrounding land would easily make this a 200,000 tonne lift. His ability to reduce the mutants to infancy with no harmful effects shows extreme control over his matter manipulation powers. Hope this helps. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 0:29:53 GMT -5
Added Alpha to the HM list. No other mutants are worthy of HM or confirmed list? No other Omega references for those that are confirmed? I feel like there should be more than this.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 0:33:00 GMT -5
Also I was able to confirm that X-Men Forever volume 1 is actual canon to the 616 universe. It was a mini that has no ties whatsoever to the other X-Men Forever volumes. I read through it yesterday.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Oct 18, 2011 0:34:44 GMT -5
Maybe the Isolationist? He apparently had all mutant powers. Possibly Rogue as she can possess the powers of Omega Mutants?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 0:39:34 GMT -5
Added.
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 0:41:26 GMT -5
Well, I added Isolationist anyway. Rogue I think is too limited in both the way she copies and how much she can copy. Ares can overload her without even draining him fully and he is nothing in comparison to even medium level mutants.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Oct 18, 2011 0:58:13 GMT -5
Isn't Ares magic though? Magic is an unknown energy source that she may be less capable of absorbing and generally poses difficulty for anyone attempting to use it. It is also possible that he was resisting like Colossus can or attempting to take control of Rogue. It might have meant that she couldn't take his psyche in, rather than his power.
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Post by creator on Oct 18, 2011 1:50:50 GMT -5
Another for discussion which should be a given - Hyperstorm. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 11:03:09 GMT -5
Isn't Ares magic though? Magic is an unknown energy source that she may be less capable of absorbing and generally poses difficulty for anyone attempting to use it. It is also possible that he was resisting like Colossus can or attempting to take control of Rogue. It might have meant that she couldn't take his psyche in, rather than his power. Since being touched by Hope, she is able to choose what she absorbs if I remember right. That means the personality absorption would have been a non-issue. I suppose that the power she absorbed being magic in nature could have been what overloaded her, but I have never seen anything like that before. When she touched someone, she absorbed basically everything that makes that person who they are. Power, abilities, memories etc. As far as Colossus resisting, I do not remember that but I am sure it is accurate. But in the past, resisting only created a vengeful personality template that would try to harm and overcome her psyche. It had no bearing on the powers she absorbed such as Ms. Marvel. |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 11:04:17 GMT -5
Another for discussion which should be a given - Hyperstorm. I am completely willing to make a separate section in the OP for alternate reality mutants. I just need to know the reality in which they came and whether or not they were stated to be Omega to know if I need to place them in the HM section or not. |
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Post by creator on Oct 18, 2011 12:23:20 GMT -5
I am completely willing to make a separate section in the OP for alternate reality mutants. I just need to know the reality in which they came and whether or not they were stated to be Omega to know if I need to place them in the HM section or not. Ok. He came from Earth 967. I am not sure if he has been stated to be an Omega but he is about as powerful (in theory more so) than Franklin Richards (I am putting aside the fight they had in that what if or the like comic). |
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 18, 2011 15:35:35 GMT -5
Added.
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Post by DedmanWalkin on Oct 18, 2011 22:56:29 GMT -5
She has never been able to fully absorb Juggernaut and he is pretty much 100% magic. Energy manipulators also have difficulty with magic and even Kitty Pryde does as well. Has she ever had difficulty absorbing someone with high power levels that was not powered by magic?
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Post by Erik-El on Oct 20, 2011 1:32:34 GMT -5
She has never been able to fully absorb Juggernaut and he is pretty much 100% magic. Energy manipulators also have difficulty with magic and even Kitty Pryde does as well. Has she ever had difficulty absorbing someone with high power levels that was not powered by magic? Juggernaut is also 100% infinite power. Nothing has ever been able to drain him successfully. Rogue has not had enough encounters to with non-magic upper tier characters for me to answer that. |
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