spidey_17
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Post by spidey_17 on Feb 21, 2011 21:37:29 GMT -5
As i said, i never argued and i don't think anyone has done that Logan is immune to nerve strikes. I always knew he could be affected. My whole point is that these kind of attacks are basically useless due to the fact that barely last a moment. Also, i don't see how your scenario would work. Every of these attacks are useless and can not put Logan for good, so the only person that would have trouble is Logan's opponent. He would eventually get tired and so Logan would just be fine to cut his head. The only way that i could see Logan being down for good is if you and some well placed hits that would severely hurt his brain causing an actual KO. And IMO for that to happen you need a certain degree of super strength combined with skill.
I see your point about the instant death, but how can you get through an adamantium chest to rip someone's heart? =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 22:09:45 GMT -5
I see your point about the instant death, but how can you get through an adamantium chest to rip someone's heart? =] a miniaturized bullet that get's lodged in and explodes his heart? a strike that once delivered cause the heart of explode on his own, a matter desintergration laser. There's hundred of ways. My point is that too often it's just fucking retarded what some writers and readers think wolverine can shrug off.
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Post by spidey_17 on Feb 21, 2011 22:15:46 GMT -5
I see. But it seems that you need weapons to actually kill Logan, which just proves my point that fighters have no real way to put him down, which this was my point when i started the debate. =P
Anyway, that was a good debate Crom. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 22:20:08 GMT -5
I see. But it seems that you need weapons to actually kill Logan, which just proves my point that fighters have no real way to put him down, did you not see the exploding heart punch part ? some characters actually know how to to things like that in comics. He can be put down provided that through either precision or raw stomping power that can inflict grievious enough wounds that he won't regenerate fast enough, weapons or not. Some definitively can
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Post by spidey_17 on Feb 21, 2011 22:22:13 GMT -5
Sorry, i have missed that. But i have never seen anyone doing that to be honest. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 22:25:08 GMT -5
Mostly because those that can, don't use that tactic because of morals or he had never fought those that can.
That's why to cite an example Iron Fist would wreck him. And also considering how grievious a missing heart is and what it does to the body (outside of the very much lethally long system shock), you only live something like 1.5 to 5 seconds tops if someone destroys your heart completely.
Wolverine couldn't regrow a functional heart that fast.
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Post by spidey_17 on Feb 21, 2011 22:35:15 GMT -5
I see. =]
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 23:08:36 GMT -5
Mostly because those that can, don't use that tactic because of morals or he had never fought those that can. That's why to cite an example Iron Fist would wreck him. And also considering how grievious a missing heart is and what it does to the body (outside of the very much lethally long system shock), you only live something like 1.5 to 5 seconds tops if someone destroys your heart completely. Wolverine couldn't regrow a functional heart that fast. In Secret War, Quake burst Wolverine's heart in his chest and it did drop him, but his healing factor was on it so fast, that he did not even lose consciousness. He was up in moments.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:16:37 GMT -5
how long did it take? if it was more then 1.5 to 5 seconds then it is just impossible. Because you simply cannot with anything close to human biology survive longer then that without a functioning heart
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 23:22:31 GMT -5
how long did it take? if it was less then 5 seconds then it is just impossible. Well no one was holding a stop watch but he was up making full sentences after a few were exchanged between his friends, post heart explosion. Less than a minute when I read the lines out loud at a normal pace. Since they were in the middle of a stressful situation, I imagine it may have been half that.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:23:36 GMT -5
then it is impossible, because as my edited post said, it is impossible to live past 5 seconds tops without a functional heart, period.
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 23:25:34 GMT -5
then it is impossible, because as my edited post said, it is impossible to live past 5 seconds tops without a functional heart, period. His healing factor keeps him alive in situations where he should be dead. Surviving in unlivable temperatures, being underwater long after he has officially drowned, ect.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:27:12 GMT -5
unfortunately the only reason that happens is because of retarded understanding of how the human body works. Regeneration would not save him from death by any of these means, regardless of how fast he regenerates.
The writers at marvel fail at science forever.
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Post by spidey_17 on Feb 21, 2011 23:28:41 GMT -5
DC writers are not any better. =]
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:30:30 GMT -5
No, they aren't. They fail at science forever too.
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 23:30:50 GMT -5
unfortunately the only reason that happens is because of retarded understanding of how the human body works. Regeneration would not save him from death by any of these means, regardless of how fast he regenerates. The writers at marvel fail at science forever. The healing factor operates on a cellular level and provides his body with what it needs to keep going. No oxygen? That is fine. Healing factor to the rescue by providing the cells with the required energy. The healing factor does not pull from his own body (wherever it does pull from is never addressed, only theorized among fanboys) which is why he can live indefinitely eating on himself.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:33:57 GMT -5
The healing factor operates on a cellular level and provides his body with what it needs to keep going. No oxygen? That is fine. Healing factor to the rescue by providing the cells with the required energy. The healing factor does not pull from his own body (wherever it does pull from is never addressed, only theorized among fanboys) which is why he can live indefinitely eating on himself. again that is simply impossible, and proof that marvel writers suck at science. The abilities of cells do not allow one to compensate for lack of oxygen it is just impossible, healing speed has nothing to do with it.
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 23:38:00 GMT -5
The healing factor operates on a cellular level and provides his body with what it needs to keep going. No oxygen? That is fine. Healing factor to the rescue by providing the cells with the required energy. The healing factor does not pull from his own body (wherever it does pull from is never addressed, only theorized among fanboys) which is why he can live indefinitely eating on himself. again that is simply impossible, and proof that marvel writers suck at science. The abilities of cells do not allow one to compensate for lack of oxygen it is just impossible, healing speed has nothing to do with it. You are getting hung up on the title. The healing factor does not just heal. It provides his body with anything it needs. Growing new tissue from nothing? Done. Supplying cells with energy so he does not drown? Pow! Starting a newly grown heart all by itself? Bang!
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Post by spoilsport on Feb 21, 2011 23:39:28 GMT -5
I think it's been well-established that, comics on the whole, fail at science. everywhere. all the time. ever.
doesn't wolverine's healing factor have some supernatural shit to it? where, if he were to die, he goes into purgatory and fights some guy and if he wins then he continues living or something? somebody told me that's how he comes back after getting totally blown up while hunting down the guy that blew up stamford in civil war.
could help to explain the whole "regen doesn't negate death" thing. cause it's *JAZZHANDS* MAGIC *JAZZHANDS*
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 23:41:39 GMT -5
You are getting hung up on the title. The healing factor does not just heal. It provides his body with anything it needs. Growing new tissue from nothing? Done. Supplying cells with energy so he does not drown? Pow! Starting a newly grown heart all by itself? Bang! -growing a new heart is healing and not instantaneous, but fine let's say he heals that fast (I don't think so because if it took more then 5 seconds then he would be dead) But that is not the problem, cells are incapable of producing oxygen, energy or any like that. Cells process such things and replicate to repair tissue and organs It is simply impossible for cells to do what marvel claims Logan's can, cells do not work that way. The human body does not work that way period.
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