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Post by Killshot Caine on Feb 21, 2011 9:20:21 GMT -5
It appears that everyone who has healing factor is incapable of being knocked out.It takes extreme measures to put them down.Wolverine for instance has taken hits from the strongest characters in the world and it seems impossible to knock him out.Is this logical or just shitty writing? Shouldn't people who have healing factor still be able to be knocked unconscious? Can we assume that even low level superhumans SHOULD be able to beat him via KO or is he shown exactly how he's supposed to?
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Post by Strafe Prower on Feb 21, 2011 9:21:30 GMT -5
It's crappy writing IMO
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 21, 2011 9:32:01 GMT -5
Shitty writing. Healing factor doesn't block pain, nor does it stop blunt force trauma to the head. It would probably let you get back up faster, because the injuries would be repaired more quickly. I suppose the writers simply take that to its logical conclusion that the damage is repaired so fast you literally don't have time to fall down.
But it still doesn't make sense on guys like Wolverine. He can be flayed to a skeleton and still retain his mobility. Dude, you're a skeleton. There are no muscles to move your bones around. There are no nerves to deliver information from the brain to you muscle. There is no blood to keep your brain fucking working. There are no lungs to keep your blood oxygenated. You should collapse into a pile of bones and metal until your healing factor is done with you.
Don't even get me started on how they routinely pull several dozen kilos of flesh and organs out of thin air with no explanation whatsoever.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Feb 21, 2011 9:36:13 GMT -5
Shitty writing. Healing factor doesn't block pain, nor does it stop blunt force trauma to the head. It would probably let you get back up faster, because the injuries would be repaired more quickly. I suppose the writers simply take that to its logical conclusion that the damage is repaired so fast you literally don't have time to fall down. But it still doesn't make sense on guys like Wolverine. He can be flayed to a skeleton and still retain his mobility. Dude, you're a skeleton. There are no muscles to move your bones around. There are no nerves to deliver information from the brain to you muscle. There is no blood to keep your brain fucking working. There are no lungs to keep your blood oxygenated. You should collapse into a pile of bones and metal until your healing factor is done with you. Don't even get me started on how they routinely pull several dozen kilos of flesh and organs out of thin air with no explanation whatsoever. LMFAO..Good post.
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Post by Morpheus on Feb 21, 2011 9:49:55 GMT -5
@ Vance - Sentry one-shotted Wolvie.
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Post by Lord Barbatos on Feb 21, 2011 10:10:52 GMT -5
There are certain veins which when pressed properly can result in a loss of oxygen to the brain and thus a knockout.dont see healing factors stopping that,it will probably come down to muscle thickness and durability.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Feb 21, 2011 10:11:59 GMT -5
@ Vance - Sentry one-shotted Wolvie. Yea but Sentry is...well the Sentry.I would like to see that from Venom or Cage or someone who doesn't have god-like strength.
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Post by Morpheus on Feb 21, 2011 10:13:33 GMT -5
@ Vance - Sentry one-shotted Wolvie. Yea but Sentry is...well the Sentry.I would like to see that from Venom or Cage or someone who doesn't have god-like strength. Hey, considering some of the characters he's taken hits from without passing out, knocking him out in one hit is a good feat. Even WWH merely incapacitated him.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Feb 21, 2011 10:23:48 GMT -5
Yea but Sentry is...well the Sentry.I would like to see that from Venom or Cage or someone who doesn't have god-like strength. Hey, considering some of the characters he's taken hits from without passing out, knocking him out in one hit is a good feat. Even WWH merely incapacitated him.i was thinking of that.Even still though i think writers should do some more thinking.Not being KO'd by Hulk seems stupid to me because i'm sure what Sentry gave him was nowhere near his best punch.
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Post by Morpheus on Feb 21, 2011 10:25:28 GMT -5
@ Vance - Sentry didn't give his best for sure. In fact, he knew exactly how much strength he needed to expend, because he said "don't worry, the pain is nearly over" right before he delivered the hit that knocked him out.
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Post by spoilsport on Feb 21, 2011 12:13:52 GMT -5
I think it might just be that some writers are completely insane. There have been plenty of times that I can think of where Wolverine gets KO'd by stuff that should (one-shotted by Hulk in his solo series, five punches or something by WWH in WWH/X-Men, getting shot in the head with a sniper rifle in New X-Men), while obviously other times (melted down to his skeleton, whole fights with really strong characters like Hulk) he just shrugs it off, which makes no sense.
Does this extend to other characters with healing factors too? I know X-23 seems more susceptible to damage, at least in New X-Men. She almost died (would have, if she didn't get a lot of help from more than one teammate) because she got practically flayed down to the bone by Nimrod and was nearly KO'd by getting shot in the throat with an arrow. I don't know enough about Daken to comment, though.
and past that nobody cares about characters with healing factors in marvel (hahaha). at any rate, it mostly seems like ridiculous writing, but then again, this is comics, where ridiculous writing is around every corner. this is just one where we don't need any type of advanced know-how to go "uh, that doesn't make sense".
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 12:32:10 GMT -5
Shitty writing. Healing factor doesn't block pain, nor does it stop blunt force trauma to the head. It would probably let you get back up faster, because the injuries would be repaired more quickly. I suppose the writers simply take that to its logical conclusion that the damage is repaired so fast you literally don't have time to fall down. But it still doesn't make sense on guys like Wolverine. He can be flayed to a skeleton and still retain his mobility. Dude, you're a skeleton. There are no muscles to move your bones around. There are no nerves to deliver information from the brain to you muscle. There is no blood to keep your brain fucking working. There are no lungs to keep your blood oxygenated. You should collapse into a pile of bones and metal until your healing factor is done with you. Don't even get me started on how they routinely pull several dozen kilos of flesh and organs out of thin air with no explanation whatsoever. That last bit has always made me laugh. Wolverine, Deadpool, Sabretooth and anyone else with their type of healing factor create matter out seemingly nothing. Wolverine grows back an entire body from nearly nothing on several occasions and can live off his own body indefinitely if he needs to. The only logical way to explain it would be that they convert ambient energy to matter but how shit-crazy does that sound?
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 12:33:22 GMT -5
I think it might just be that some writers are completely insane. There have been plenty of times that I can think of where Wolverine gets KO'd by stuff that should (one-shotted by Hulk in his solo series, five punches or something by WWH in WWH/X-Men, getting shot in the head with a sniper rifle in New X-Men), while obviously other times (melted down to his skeleton, whole fights with really strong characters like Hulk) he just shrugs it off, which makes no sense. Does this extend to other characters with healing factors too? I know X-23 seems more susceptible to damage, at least in New X-Men. She almost died (would have, if she didn't get a lot of help from more than one teammate) because she got practically flayed down to the bone by Nimrod and was nearly KO'd by getting shot in the throat with an arrow. I don't know enough about Daken to comment, though. and past that nobody cares about characters with healing factors in marvel (hahaha). at any rate, it mostly seems like ridiculous writing, but then again, this is comics, where ridiculous writing is around every corner. this is just one where we don't need any type of advanced know-how to go "uh, that doesn't make sense". X-23's healing factor is faster but has a much lower ability to cope with full body trauma.
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 12:49:50 GMT -5
It's fucking retarded and entirely unscientific. Regen/healing factors don't have anything to do with durability and ability to take damage when you think about.
Healing factors heal you from wounds, that much is true. But think about it an effect that is instant kill should not be stopped by regeneration, same thing with instant K.O. There's no time for the regeneration to take effect. Enemies uses that effect, you're dead, no time or anything. Your regen can't save you because the minute the effect is off you're dead or K.O
that's why I usually argue that X martial artist can beat wolverine with enough skill/speed and striking power, because his regen shouldn't work again instantaneous effects.
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Post by Phantom Stargrave on Feb 21, 2011 12:51:03 GMT -5
The only logical way to explain it would be that they convert ambient energy to matter but how shit-crazy does that sound? to create, say, a 150 pound body, you'd need something like one and a half gigatons of energy. If I'm not mistaken, that's more than the sum total of all nuclear bombs ever tested on Earth. Personally, I like to think they're all pulling the extra mass from the plot hole dimension.
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Post by Decoy Elite on Feb 21, 2011 12:53:26 GMT -5
Any healing factor grounded in science is doomed to be illogical.
Magic based healing factors would be better if writers wanted to not look retarded. (And yeah I know magic is used as a blanket excuse most of the time, but I think it's called for here)
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Post by Erik-El on Feb 21, 2011 12:55:29 GMT -5
The only logical way to explain it would be that they convert ambient energy to matter but how shit-crazy does that sound? to create, say, a 150 pound body, you'd need something like one and a half gigatons of energy. If I'm not mistaken, that's more than the sum total of all nuclear bombs ever tested on Earth. Personally, I like to think they're all pulling the extra mass from the plot hole dimension. I read an article in some science magazine that there is more potential untapped energy in a micrometer of air than there is used in a nuclear power plant. Or was it a nanometer?
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Post by Crom-Cruach on Feb 21, 2011 12:57:24 GMT -5
Any healing factor grounded in science is doomed to be illogical. not necessarily, if it's a lot weaker then most marvel wolverine clones and expys then it can be sensible. Some types of sea sponge, mollusks and such have insane capabilities of regeneration compared to humans. But nothing like wolverine of course. same with some reptiles. what matters is that it shouldn't protect against 1 shot kill effects and instantaneous effects because these happen within the moment so the regen can't take effect
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Post by Decoy Elite on Feb 21, 2011 12:59:45 GMT -5
Any healing factor grounded in science is doomed to be illogical. not necessarily, if it's a lot weaker then most marvel wolverine clones and expys then it can be sensible. So types of sea sponge, mollusks and suck have insane capabilities of regeneration compared to humans. But nothing like wolverine of course. same with some reptiles. what matters is that it shouldn't protect against 1 shot kill effects and instantaneous effects because these happen within the moment so the regen can't take effect Okay, every science based healing factor is doomed to confuse and annoy me. There.
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Post by Killshot Caine on Feb 21, 2011 12:59:49 GMT -5
I just saw Deadpool get knocked out by gunfire...but then Hulk was unable to KO him, that makes no sense.
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