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Post by goku on Nov 16, 2010 17:02:15 GMT -5
Here, you can discuss anything related to the Cosmic Wanderer himself, Norrin Radd. He got me re-reading Marvel at a point where I sort of lost interest and his team-up with Kyle was awesome. I think it's cool how Kyle references him in his comics (like when he constructed Surfer's board in space). Requiem, In Thy Name, and Homecoming are some of the first stories I read from him before going onto more of his old adventures. He's one of the best characters in comics IMO.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 16, 2010 17:12:34 GMT -5
I'm glad the thread was made, hopefully his appearances in Chaos War, Chaos War: God Squad, and Thanos Imperative: Devastation will give us things to talk about, before his mini hits the stands, of course.
How did you like Requiem? Even though it's not in continuity, it's one of my favourite, if not, my most favourite, Surfer story ever.
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Post by goku on Nov 16, 2010 17:32:29 GMT -5
I love Requiem. It was the first Surfer story I read. It really put his character into perspective for me and JMS did a terrific job IMO.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 16, 2010 17:43:29 GMT -5
If JMS wasn't so cautious when it comes to power levels of powerhouse characters, he'd be the choice ideal for a regular Silver Surfer writer. Some awe-inspiring stories could come up from that match.
But Giffen is probably the one who has the best grasp of the Surfer's personality/powers, in combination to exciting, action-packed stories, that are not devoid of dramatic impact.
I reserve judgment for Pak, because I value his writing abilities, even though I am not a fan of his writing of the Surfer in his guest appearances in books he has written (Planet Hulk was not bad; Son of Hulk - meh, Chaos War I felt was off).
It'd be funny if I turned out like Methos with GLs/Johns. With Pak managing to skyrocket the Surfer, and give him an on-going in the future and me complaining he ruined the character. LOL.
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Post by goku on Nov 16, 2010 18:24:08 GMT -5
Aha, that would be something. I see you've seen Casino Royale recently.
Well, I won't be picking up comics for a while due to more external factors, as well as manga/anime, but I'm interested with Surfer's activity with all the cosmic characters.
I agree with the power-scaling argument in regards to JMS and Giffen definitely writes his powers very well. How do you feel about the classic Surfer stories and the Essentials?
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Post by ckal on Nov 16, 2010 18:25:27 GMT -5
I love the Surfer.
He had some great stuff going on in Annihilation between his series, the main story line, and the Heralds of Galactus issues. He's one of the coolest and most versatile heroes around. I also really like his few appearances in Nova's solo series. Maybe it's because Abnett and Lanning wrote them both who I think are great.
I haven't read 'Requiem,' but I'll have to get around to it since you guys seem to be regarding it so highly.
Which stories has Giffen written?
Yeah I love that quote too btw (The job is done. The bitch is dead.)
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 16, 2010 18:33:57 GMT -5
Aha, that would be something. I see you've seen Casino Royale recently. Well, I won't be picking up comics for a while due to more external factors, as well as manga/anime, but I'm interested with Surfer's activity with all the cosmic characters. I agree with the power-scaling argument in regards to JMS and Giffen definitely writes his powers very well. How do you feel about the classic Surfer stories and the Essentials? Casino Royale has plenty of phrases to use but that's the one that stands out the most to me.No problem with that, as long as your self imposed exile from comics ends before the Surfer is back in action with his new mini in February. I like the Stan Lee stories but I understand if people find them slow, or dated.His appearances in Nova's series were fabulous in every way. Same with Galactus.
Requiem is as good a story as one could find. Everything the Surfer stands for, is represented in Requiem.
In Thy Name is also a pretty good recent story with SS as the star.
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Post by ckal on Nov 16, 2010 23:08:39 GMT -5
An SS mini in Feb?! No way! Is there a title yet?
Awesome, I'll check that out asap.
You know, I've actually looked through it, but I can't really get into the art. Maybe some time I'll actually suck it up and read it but idk.
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Post by Gender on Nov 17, 2010 4:34:01 GMT -5
On of the best things to come from the mind of Jack Kirby. To later be defined by the mind of Stan Lee as their love child. Go NORRIN RADD!!! It'd be funny if I turned out like Methos with GLs/Johns. With Pak managing to skyrocket the Surfer, and give him an on-going in the future and me complaining he ruined the character. LOL.To be entirely honest, that would be very funny. I like the Stan Lee stories but I understand if people find them slow, or dated.His appearances in Nova's series were fabulous in every way. Same with Galactus. I'll eat up anything with the Stan Lee sticker on it. Galactus was depicted as he should be, as Galactus put it best himself so many years ago: "A BEING OF MY STATURE, A TRULY COSMIC ENTITY." Not some measuring stick for a bad guy while starving. Above pesky mortals and their problems, an abstract being! Norrin appearing as what he should be aswell, such a being's herald. So I ate it all up. =) It was tough to see him back to hungry levels in Chaos War though when he was standing his ground against his Cancerverse counterpart eye beaming away in the wake of it's giant mouth. Pak still has time to make Galactus shine and hopefully he does. Not much of a point of putting him in the story if he's going to do nothing other then be the Chaos King's measuring stick.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 17, 2010 5:42:21 GMT -5
An SS mini in Feb?! No way! Is there a title yet? Awesome, I'll check that out asap. You know, I've actually looked through it, but I can't really get into the art. Maybe some time I'll actually suck it up and read it but idk. The mini will simply be entitled "Silver Surfer". Greg Pak is the writer, Stephen Segovia the artist. I posted a thread about it but no one noticed. The art in In Thy Name is not for everyone, but the story is quite good. I know, right? But I'll be grateful if Pak manages to give the Surfer an on-going, one way, or the other. Besides, with Pak's writing methods, SS will end up, at the very least, a Skyfather, or even at abstract level. Honestly, starving, or not, Galactus should still be untouchable to regular characters. Giffen gets it, DnA get it, problem is, most others don't. Loved the way stars, suns and planets were reflected inside Galactus' body in that story, too.
No idea why that artist (Wellington Alves) has not been used much since. His Galactus/Surfer depictions were the best I've seen, not only in a while, but maybe of all time.
I'm tired of Galactus jobbing to people to show how powerful they are, too. But I doubt Galactus will do anything substancial - that's what Herc is for.
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Post by Gender on Nov 17, 2010 20:22:20 GMT -5
I know, right? But I'll be grateful if Pak manages to give the Surfer an on-going, one way, or the other. Besides, with Pak's writing methods, SS will end up, at the very least, a Skyfather, or even at abstract level. Honestly, starving, or not, Galactus should still be untouchable to regular characters. Giffen gets it, DnA get it, problem is, most others don't. Loved the way stars, suns and planets were reflected inside Galactus' body in that story, too.
No idea why that artist (Wellington Alves) has not been used much since. His Galactus/Surfer depictions were the best I've seen, not only in a while, but maybe of all time.
I'm tired of Galactus jobbing to people to show how powerful they are, too. But I doubt Galactus will do anything substancial - that's what Herc is for. Pak seems excited to write for Norrin and tends to make his characters the star of the show, can't hurt to have Norrin pull out some crazy feats in a mini-series. I'd have to agree, he was depicted as an Abstract. www.comicvine.com/galactus/29-2149/all-images/108-215321/galan/105-1080045/Not just some guy in a purple outfit. Well Pak can at least have him do something. Outside getting knocked down to the knee by a giant beam of energy(lightning?) after seemingly not frying Zeus and just blasting away at Chaos King as he devoured the Earth's Pantheons with seemingly to see nothing happen as a result, Galactus seems just to be chilling with Herc and friends. It wouldn't have to be something big, just something actually somewhat worthy of putting him in the story other than to take up space. As for being untouchable, it should be like how he was in SW: Attachments:
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 17, 2010 21:20:57 GMT -5
True about Pak being excited, I've heard him saying the Surfer is one of the characters he always wanted to write, before the mini was announced (come to tihnk of it, it was before the rumours about the mini leaked).
I'm just tired of seeing characters I like being used as measuring sticks, is all. Say, Iron Man jobbing to the new Carnage to show how much of a threat (s)he is. Galan has played that part too many times already, hopefully writers will take note and stop.
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Post by Gender on Nov 18, 2010 2:02:51 GMT -5
True about Pak being excited, I've heard him saying the Surfer is one of the characters he always wanted to write, before the mini was announced (come to tihnk of it, it was before the rumours about the mini leaked).
I'm just tired of seeing characters I like being used as measuring sticks, is all. Say, Iron Man jobbing to the new Carnage to show how much of a threat (s)he is. Galan has played that part too many times already, hopefully writers will take note and stop. It's always nice to see the writer excited to write for the character, so he'll have his heart in his work. Galans always been sort of stuck as the measuring stick for a lot of the MU. He's their premier cosmic entity, so it came with the burden of him often being put up against or comparison character to establish how powerful they are or a particular item(s) is to set up the hierarchy. Just in this case for CW has him sort taking up space thus far is my MAIN complaint with it. Back in the day they had the entire universe being in danger just fighting Mephisto or countless dimensions going to hell because him and Agamotto were duking it out in his realm. He's a powerful and important part of the MU that should get a lot more sun shine and kick people around. Keeping my fingers crossed for Galactus to do anything.
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Post by goku on Nov 18, 2010 2:22:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I could never get myself to be a devoted fan of Galactus. He's just too boring for me. I understand why people like him though and he's cool but just not my cup of tea.
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Post by Silver on Nov 18, 2010 7:20:06 GMT -5
Requiem, In Thy Name, and Homecoming are some of the first stories I read from him before going onto more of his old adventures. In Thy Name and Requiem are awesome. I have been meaning to get my hands on Homecoming; I heard that was good. Surfer is cool. Galactus is just meh, for me anyway.
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Post by ckal on Nov 18, 2010 11:36:50 GMT -5
I'd like to see Galactus doing something like busting solar systems (at least) again like in Annihilation. Or just taking down someone extremely powerful.
I think Galactus is cool in that stone faced, no emotion, just business sense. He can be bad ass.
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Post by Silver on Nov 18, 2010 11:49:39 GMT -5
I think my problem with Galactus is simply that writers repeatedly try to justify his actions. I can never really look at a being who consumes the life energy on worlds as anything but a villain. Writers, however, have imparted in Galactus this status as a mandatory part of the universe. There was also the statement that if he were to die, all life in a certain number of lightyears would be destroyed. I like Galactus. I just like him more as an ally/enemy of Surfer than this essentially "I can kill planets, and there is nothing wrong with that because it's my God-given mission" character.
I know I am oversimplifying that and making generalizations. Not trying to disrespect Galactus's character. Just making a point.
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Post by ckal on Nov 18, 2010 18:33:53 GMT -5
Well yeah just like every other entity supposedly has a reason for existing, he is basically the entity in charge of cosmic consonance and balancing the universe. How destroying planets accomplishes this, I'm not really sure. I am pretty sure I remember reading the reason but I don't remember what issue it was.
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Post by Silver on Nov 18, 2010 18:37:15 GMT -5
ckal: I think it was said that Galactus would return 10 times (if I remember correctly) to the universe that of which he took from it. Basically, if he consumes a planet, supposedly, he will give back 10 times that much life/energy...... The whole thing is hard to grasp.
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Post by Morpheus on Nov 18, 2010 18:45:04 GMT -5
It was said he will give back much more than he has taken away. And you take it too literally. The phrase was not referring to energy.
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